Transcript for Knight, Celestial Roberts, [Interview], in "Utah Pioneer Biographies," 44 vols., 17:132-33

10. At what place did you join the company or wagon train with which you came to Utah?
10. Castle Gardens in New York.

11. When did it leave for Utah?
11. July 1868. Took train to Ft. Leavenworth (it may have been Ft. Laramie) by way of St. Louis, Chicago, Detroit, etc. That was before the Chicago Fire. They bought their food on the way. They had to wait in Leavenworth (Laramie) for a train. The people came in a mob to see them and stared at them as if they were cattle. They acted as if they had never seen a person before. The reason was that they were Mormons and one well dressed woman with some girls acted so impudent that Philip her brother who was on guard had to put her out of the enclosure. The mob became so abusive that the men in charge loaded them on cattle cars and started them westward.

12. Who was the leader of your company or train?
12. John [R.] Murdock and a man named [Byron] Warner.

13. Method of travel (handcart, ox team, mule team, horseback, etc.)
13. Mule teams and horse teams. They could see Indians ahead and in the distance, and Captain Murdock counseled them to drive out around the railroad camps and do not stop day or night till they got out of the way of the camps and thus the would avoid the rough element that is generally found around the Railroad camps as well as the Indians which might be hanging around them. No---was to walk. "The Scandivanian[s] were great for walking and that was for them more than for any of the others, as there to be nobody away from the wagons. Sometimes women would way lay them and beg them to come to the camp and get warm or get some food. But they never did." They reached Salt Lake City August 18, 1968.